200 grain lead flat nose, 10 grains Blue Dot. Magnum. A red dot sight might be fine on a pistol caliber carbine, such as a .327 Mag., .357 Mag., or .44 Mag. Speer - 200 gr magnum hollow point - 6.5-7.5 grains powder That's all it lists for 200gr bullets, unfortunately. I use full length 44 Mag cases, since I don't like the ring that gets left in the cylinders from the shorter 44 Special shells. I have been using trail boss at 4.9g, but it has resulted in inconsistent rounds. with a flush seated 148HBWC. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Does anyone have one they could post? During the powder shortages, we all grasped at straws for fear we would run out of our favorites. IMR Red is similar in burn rate to Red Dot. Accuracy was about the same, so if velocity is paramount use H-110 and magnum primers. I can't claim its an ideal load at all, but it was notably lighter than Magtech 240 gr. He likely has a 44 mag. I have been through a few pounds of unique 7 grains at a time behind a 240-250 swc. I have been loading target loads for my .44 Magnum using cast bullets. BTW, I consider 900+fps as medium loads regardless of caliber. Average Joe, I agree with using published loads only I would recommend using the latest reloading manuals. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting, You tap the powder measure base with the same force with each throw. But started using Trail Boss in .45 and really like it, so will be loading my .45 'normal' loads with it for the forseeable future. When you hit 1200fps your starting into Magnum territory. The Best Red Dot Sight for .44 Magnum Revolvers Conclusion. Developed as a big-bore revolver cartridge in the 1950s, the .44 Magnum quickly grew to widespread adoption. Max. The good news is ... chamber pressures run quite a bit higher than a 45 Colt so you can use harder bullets. Still, if it's working for you and you are happy with the results, who are we to say. Dunno nothin about 44 mag, but ramshot brags about their Enforcer powder for magnum hot loads. 9 for jacketed in the 240-250 range. I have an Ultra-dot on my S&W 500MAG. With Red Dot being a old powder (it has been cleaned up from the original formula) there is very little data in new reloading data books. Some of my "funnest" and most accurate loads were 44 Special loads right out of the manual in my Magnum brass. Hunting Revolvers: Are Red-Dot Sights the Answer? Bullets in the .45 ACP , 6 gr. Drop that to 8.0 or 9.0 for some upper range .44 Special loads (check your manuals of course). Cleans up with #9 soaked patches. It can be used like Titigroup, Red Dot and Unique for target loads but seems to have a more versatile upper end. Red Dot 929 fps 1 7/8 ” 8.0 gr. Like others, I feel that Red Dot and Promo are way too fast for heavy bullets at moderate velocities in .44 mag. Such emails will be ignored. A military-surplus powder produced by Hercules during the war for the .30 Carbine called H240 was a bit quicker burning than 2400, but it delivered higher velocities and burned cleaner. Typically, the red dot sight is quite faster to utilize as compared to a .44 Magnum scope. Choosing a red dot for it is tricky, so make sure you look at models that can take the recoil and power of a .44 Magnum. This email contact address is not an "Ask the Firearms Expert" service. That's not a "moderate" load in a magnum revolver, that's a "modest" load. From a 4" Redhawk it gave me 920 fps. 16,558 Posts #12 • Dec 18, 2008. razadp, Red Dot powder isn't a very good application for light target loads with bullets that are "light for caliber". Some of the larger granule powders don't flow well around powder measure baffles. I really like the idea of using published data, and I really like Hodgdon for providing it free! or .460). .44 Magnum Scope vs Red Dot Sight. Lots of good powders out there. Almost 1300 fps for the 44 mag 240 gr swc. Alliant Powder Reload Recipes ← Back. In fact, it is my 'current' goto powder in both .357 and .45 Colt. I know he has a 357 mag. This is a max load,use caution. This powder was made to order for the .44 Magnum and may even be a little better than H110; time will tell as it seems to offer a little more muzzle velocity with a little less pressure. Red Dot: Select A Caliber or Gauge Below To View Recipes. Clays is my favorite powder for almost every handgun round from .38 Special to .44 magnum and .45ACP but PB and Titegroup work, too. 5.0 grains of Red Dot make an easy-recoiling load for the .44 Special. Shooting lead bullets in a 44 Mag is quite a challenge. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Index.htm, Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I shoot many rounds in the course of a year and have found my medium loads to be just fine using the powders mentioned. The 44 Magnum is my most favorite reloadable cartridge. So I recommend the Ultra-Dot and the Millet. T-Rex killers over heavy W820 loads, all in magnum brass. This five-shot group was fired at 25 yards from .44 Special cases loaded with 200-grain wadcutters and Unique. 44 S&W Special. they are accurate, and I have no problems with them. The .430 bullets pass through its throats easier than they do through the custom 44 Special that I have that was "made to use .430 bullets." Using 180g bullets. I've looked around for a master list of powders by burn rate, and haven't seen one. Been waiting to finish up the remaining blue dot in .357. Also, Universal does a great job in 45 acp, 38 spec., 9mm. I use 2400 mostly, myself, and AA#9 is a modern powder that works really well. Its kernels are round and flat and contain some flakes dyed red to identify the powder. In the .357, I was going for about 900 or so FPS. It is about as slow as I'm comfortable going in 44 Mag-I know some folks use Bullseye, Titegroup, Red Dot, and the like successfully, but I don't like them in Magnum calibers. However, like most pistol cartridges, the .44 Magnum “wakes up” out of a carbine length rifle barrel. If you want Magnum power you have to use Magnum powder. I use Red Dot for lots of stuff, lead bullet loads for 9mm, .38sp, .32ACP. GONRA recognizes 296 Ball Powder / Magnum Large Pistol primers is "the OFFICIAL Way To Go" with .44 mag, .44 Auto Mag, .45 Win Mag, etc. My favorites are Speer #14 and Hornady 7th Ed. Canister Sizes: View All Red Dot ® Recipes. Speer #14 has a Short Barrel section for the 44 Mag, 4" bbl., 200gr JHP, using (8) different fast powders with Unique being the slowest, if that's the way you want to go. I also use it for 12 gauge Skeet and Trap loads. Unique under a 240gr. 2400 and 296/H110 are of course the classic choices. Last year when I started reloading, powder was hard to obtain. The powder drops straight into the cavity and is sheared by the rotation. These are essentially 100 yard rifles and a good red dot sight should suffice, assuming the hunter has 20/20 vision (corrected or otherwise). Should be a dandy. Marked as a nice accurate load. I've reloaded everything from 123 gr. 45 Colt. 38 Special +P. I have found a hack to dispense Red Dot & Unique very consistently. IE: .44 Spl performance. Universal is also very clean. I liked 8.0g Red Dot when I was testing it under a 240g SWC. of Red Dot and standard primers. 38 Special. In the .44 Mag I run some tests with Red Dot. I shoot 15 rounds as the sample number per load. Accurate now has reintroduced XMP-5744, a slow burning, bulky powder and is good in magnum pistol loads. Universal has been very useful. I'm new here, little longer on the "other" ruger board. A lot of "I wouldn't use it in anything but powder puff loads". Relatively hard Lyman No. Find out why. 22 grains of Accurate XMP 5744 with a 240gr swc is an accurate and very comfortable load to shoot. A light amount of Red Dot and 200-grain bullets make mild-recoiling loads for a .44 Magnum revolver. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. You could double or triple charge with this load and not notice. I'd go a lot slower on the powder for .357, start with maybe Blue Dot. Neither one is a good .44 Mag powder for other then light to mid-range plinking loads. For several years I used the M624 in IPSC-type matches, and my ammo was all powered by Red Dot. I've used a lot of Bullseye, W231, Red Dot, Trail Boss, and Unique in the light loads. Light loads get Trailboss, because I can easily see the charge, and there is not much chance of position sensitivity. I've had good luck with 7.1 grains of Winchester 231, Winchester LP primers and 240 LSWC's. Many of Alliant's loads are way too hot. There are times I use either Red or Green Dot, as they are a bit faster and may work better in some small rounds. The new pressure data is stated in psi. Trying to work up mild load. Super accurate out of my 4 5/8" Super Blackhawk. If I were reloading for my magnums using H110 and I went over the manuals' recommendations, I'll be in trouble just as if I were loading Red Dot and went over manual recommendations... K.I.S.S. JavaScript is disabled. with a 150-160 gr. I am not casting 200 gr out of a 6 cavity lee mold, not sizing them, ahead of 6 grs of unique. Load 10.0 gr. I use Unique with both the 240 SWC's and with the 180 grain jacketed bullets. The 44 Magnum is my most favorite reloadable cartridge. NC Ruger, With your 180 gr JHPs, try 8 gr of Unique for about 1000 fps. It is listed on the Hodgdon site, and is very soft and accurate. The easy way to determine old from new is when pressures are stated in CUP, it is old crusher method data. I was taught to respect my elders .... problem is, I'm having a hard time finding them.​. For year my walking around load in .44 mag , was a Kieth over 7.0 of 700x as reccomended in an article by Mike Venturino. It is recommended to go for a red dot sight with your gun particularly when hogs are involved when using it. Under the same bullet in the .45 Colt. Low recoil and bark. As long as you keep it on the light end of the magnum loads, you'll be ok. The writer said his blue dot recipe is the cleanest load he has and it is great for deer hunting. mouse phart loads basically. If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. That is one of the very fastest burning powders and will produce a pressure peak and sharp recoil if pushed too hard. 8.0g ES was 24fps. I will ask him if he has any 44 mag recipes. YMMV of course, but that was my experience. I do like Single Actions (without scopes!) ... **Please read the request of the OP - all he has is excess red dot and green dot he wants to get rid of. 7.0 gr. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. Green Dot is a bit slower than Bullseye or Red Dot. As clean-burning as PB is in a shotshell, it is borderline filthy and smoky in a handgun round unless you load it heavy. Yep, there may be "better", more suitable powders for big bores, but as long as one stays with book loads from their manuals, they're OK. Red Dot powder has been a good choice for low-velocity handgun loads for decades. balls, single loaded over a bit of W231 to 300 gr. My .38 powder is Bullseye, slower than Red Dot, but still really fast and dense. The newer manuals have loads that have been pressure tested with modern piezo transducers. Recipe. for that cartridge. Red Dot isn't a handgun powder; no doubt that's why you cant find a load recipe. I am happy it is working for you, but your powder choice is too fast for conventional wisdom. .... Newbi to Ruger, but have been reloading for a 44mag S&W for several years. The .44 Magnum is a hand cannon that’s also a literal blast to shoot. Yesterday I shot a dozen of my own .44 Mag Light loads. I've used fast powders in my Magnums and just stayed with the recommended data from my reloading manuals. razadp, Red Dot powder isn't a very good application for light target loads with bullets that are "light for caliber". When the .44 Mag was introduced in 1955, Hercules 2400 and IMR 4227 soon became the most popular powders for .44 Magnum hand-loads. My gun club buys powder wholesale add 5% and sells it to us.. they had Red Dot 8lb kegs for $105.00 out the door, so I got 2 kegs. Most of the loads provided by Alliant use old data with crusher testing methods. Principal Purpose: Light and standard 12 ga. target loads Secondary Uses: Handgun loads Remarks: The number one premium clay target powder, now 50 percent cleaner. balls over a dusting of Bullseye to 310 gr ingots over near max loads of WC820. This is fast enough for paper targets and does a fine job on bowling pins. 231 meters better than Unique and gives much more consistent loads if you use a powder measure. mikd & rclark .... You have stated what I found to be sound advice. That means you will likely have powder flakes blown into the bore that didn't ignite. With some powders they are positively detrimental to consistency and accuracy, but my experience with the .44 Magnum and now the .41 shows a velocity gain with the magnum primers and H-110. The Lispy's .44 special is scary accurate with 7.0 of Unique but if I can get equal accuracy with a bit less red dot it would simplify things. My favorite load uses Hodgdons Clays. I have well over 2000 rounds on that one red-dot. Red dot and 250 grain bullets in a 44 mag? 7.5g was fine too. I have been using trail boss at 4.9g, but it has resulted in inconsistent rounds. Marlin 1894, Henry Big Boy, etc. While this powder is supposed to be ideal for 9mm, .45 ACP and .38 Special, I was in the process of developing a .44 Special load using Oregon Trail’s Lasercast 240-grainers for my Ruger GP100, with the Smith & Wesson 629 in there so I could compare speed from a … Also, Accurate's #2 and #5 work well. If you are happy, that's great, but no validation here. I've reloaded everything from 123 gr. You tap the powder measure base with the same force with each throw. Note that the 7.0g load ES was 45fps, but with the 7.5g load the ES dropped to 23fps. They chronographed out last summer at about 900 fps. At least with Trailboss I remove the baffle in my Hornady and get better results, no clogging, no empty cases at the seating station. Good.44 Mag powder for.357,.44 Special cases loaded with 200-grain and! 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