I have owed all of these at one time or another but now I have changed my thinking on counting on batteries I don't know how many of these experts have ever been in real CQB but I have and EOTech is my pick. If the size is an issue, Aimpoint offers a number of smaller options that have significantly smaller barrels, profiles and weight, although they are slightly more expensive than EOTechs. The side mounted buttons and built in rise mean you can get a lower third cowitness without a LaRue riser or other rails. If it needs a battery I do not consider it there are Tritium powered with no moving parts ACOG, Trigicon Meprolite There’s nothing wrong with Aimpoint products, of course – they have great battery life, they’re very well made and they get the job done. You may have a very old EOTech in perfectly good working order; there is nothing deficient with you or your optic, but high volume shooters who depend on their carbine will eventually, on a long enough time line, see a failure. Aimpoint's challenge was, “to create a sighting technology that would allow shooters to acquire their target quickly, and to hit moving targets in all weather and lighting conditions consistently and accurately.”. Excellent debrief. Have used the Aimpoint Comp ML2 and both Eotech M553 (Su231/PEQ) and Eotech M500 (Bushnell holosight II) for over 5 years. The Aimpoint uses a reflected LED (light emitting diode). And EOTech wins for being the optic that the Seal Team Six member used on the SBR that killed Osama Bin Laden. My XPS shut off one time when shooting. Aimpoint and EOTech are two big-name rivals in the world of red dot optics. Whether you take your rifle out for hunting or at the range, there will be times when you want to make a quick shot. A 1moa dot is nice, reticles are even nicer. Both optics are built well and don’t allow moisture or fog to get in. Aimpoint wins on being waterproof. Started with an EOtech, loved it, but realized that I really wanted something that was always ready to go and more in line with something home defense. I have never been in a combat situation where I was in a fire fight for so long I was worried about running out of batteries, plus as with ammunition, I carry a spare battery. If you can't hit something at that range, INSTINCTIVELY, it won't matter what optics you have!!! It is only two years old. I am unaware of any actual testing, and have wondered the same thing about not only the electronic sights, but also flashlights with circuits and programable interfaces, and all night vision equipment. Like Aimpoint, it features the standard centered red dot. However, the user interface (the buttons and their actions) are not something I like. Doc Montana holds PhD’s in both Science Education and Computer Science and currently teaches at a University in the northern United States. amd a few others. IMHO. Optical Features and Characteristics. The EXPS3 is a small optic that doesn’t need much rail room. Has a 1 moa dot but also a 65moa circle. A lot of work was put in to make these reliable rifles and every knob was witness marked because bored patrolmen would spin the windage knob 30 clicks while drinking coffee and reading messages on his toughbook or iphone. Aimpoint optics can be somewhat bulkier, but that doesn’t affect their usability. And this is the reason why we run these kind of sights in the first place right? Being active I just DXed the Crappy EOTech for another one. Both sights offer amazing optical performance, near indestructibility, and a proven track record in battle. Anyhow, if a student could pick up on BAC, he could get faster, more accurate hits. What is the function of these types of optics as opposed to a scope The answer is CQB, however, that doesn't explain the billions of hours on the range spent "point shooting" from "here" to 25 yds. Required fields are marked *. Neither of those optics maybe a dainty flower that you just need to baby. Two scopes on QD mounts (spare/backup) need no batteries and are EMP proof. Also was wondering which company backs a better warranty, if I remember correctly from my last research it was aimpoint. I don't know anyone that runs the transverse battery models and I have personally seen two XPS units die during training due to how recoil affected the battery. Aimpoint T1 vs T2: Specs and Features. My advice to anyone looking at a Eotech, even the EXPS/XPS versions vs a Aimpoint Pro (or better model) get the Aimpoint. However the XPS just came back from Eotech for the same dimming issues (last month). EOTech, on the other hand, doesn’t do as well as Aimpoint. While it is almost impossible to beat the five-year battery life of the Aimpoint, it is also easy to argue that if in CQB or running-and-gunning, the EOTech provides the fastest target acquisition and least obstructed field of view which is the main purpose of the sight in the first place. Aimpoint and EOtech are both excellent optics! Eotech EXPS3 reticles Both Aimpoint and Eotech offer magnifiers, but the new, shorter, Gen 3 Eotech magnifier is regarded as better in having external adjustments by some. They have optics for large rifles as well as smaller handguns. However, this does not mean that Aimpoint’s products are better than EOTech’s products. And I hate memorizing yet another set of button commands (which is probably why I have such an affinity for Glocks). Aimpoint wins for simplest red dot. In my opinion the eotech was a more accurate sight with the 1 Moa dot but I eventually settled on the aimpoint. What side are you on in the EOTech vs. Aimpoint debate? I still own the XPS, it sits on a 15-22 now. However, EOTech uses a smaller 1 MOA dot, which is surrounded by a larger 65 MOA red circle. Even then, it has a 80 hour on time before dimming. But it was the battery life that swayed me to the aimpoint. For day use I don't even treat it as a light reticle and just a fancy rugged 4x scope with stadia markings that don't quite work for my rifle (TA01NSN is calibrated for a 14.5 using M855, I have mine zeroed on a 20" with M193, but I have a feel for the BDC.). You’re paying more for no reason, as you can see. As David from Alabama said, after watching my coworkers replace their batteries and have to re-zero their EOTechs (in some cases literally every time we qualified), I opted to pick up an Aimpoint Patrol Rifle Optic (PRO). My Aimpoint has never failed, both issued and personally bought. While these were 2x, not 3x, new officers who had never handled a rifle before (Chicagoland metro department) could print decently well and pass the patrol carbine state qual after 3 hours of hands on training. Both times Eotech fixed it at no cost. While its products have respectable battery lives, you’ll need replacements after a few hundred or thousand hours. If we were asked to pick the best product from the EOTech lineup, we’d go with the HHS l. It’s an EXPS3 optic paired with a G33 3x magnifier. If you're in a non tactical environment and you use EOTech, just train yourself to every now and then push one of the buttons to reset the timer, again this is knowing your equipment and training yourself to use it properly. Considering optics for my (currently one and only) AR, a Colt 6920 HBPW 14.5". Field of view is MUCH better than Aimpoint and THAT is an important consideration to avoid "Tunnel Vision" during CQ engagements and in fast target acquisition.. Mine spends its days riding around in a soft rifle case in my trunk and has held a zero after numerous vehicle pursuits, numerous tactical team trainings, getting smashed against other gear, etc. Since 2010, the mission of SurvivalCache.com is to provide the most in-depth discussions about survival prepping. Not to bring up Trijicon but in hindsight I wish I had waited on one of their models with the fixed reticle and 3.5x magnification. No batteries required. This makes it a better option for those who are concerned about stealth. I've since switched to an Aimpoint PRO (Patrol Rifle Optic) and absolutely love it. However, it does include a magnifier as well as an optic sight – you’re definitely getting your money’s worth. The optic has an enhanced lens with a coating that creates a surprisingly bright, clear dot against almost all settings. I am also considering an Aimpoint Micro T-1 for my personal Stag AR. Let me share my experience with CCOs in regards to Aimpoint and EOTech. The Aimpoint feels much bigger on the gun to me. Another most important aspect is a riflescope’s capacity to deliver great optical features for clear and precise vision. But the advantages of the EOTech are many, so it's worth the possibility this failure to run one. Aimpoint supplies sights for the U.S Army, while EOTech is the go-to brand for the Marine Special Forces. EOTech wins for smallest dot which is better for long range shooting. An EOTECH or Aimpoint sight on your gun will increase your hit probability and speed. Aimpoint has been making high quality CCO for a long time, and as a example of their quality, a close associate's department received an allotment of 120 early generation DRMO M68 CCO (CompM2s circa 2003-4is) They were sandy, scratched, but they all lit brightly and had they chose too, could have been mounted on the patrol carbines. They are reliable and durable. CQB is just that, and if you want a holo, you can have one, on cant and inline with the bore for close in work (if you must). The Comp M3, T1, and RCO are all very serviceable, rugged optics. I know quite a few people who have these and absolutely love them. Did you wonder why Aimpoint scopes have such long battery lives? EOTech CONs: Bulky feel, large optic windows collect dust can be difficult to clean, sensitive to recoil, TCO high. I think this sold the aimpoint for me, thanks! I own both an Eotech 512 and an Aimpoint PRO which paralell this discussion. Also, I've yet to have the battery in my Aimpoint last even a full year being left on. EOTech PROs: Value, very fast reticle, 1 MOA dot can be precise, reticle has built in hold overs for height over bore, battery life is good with lithium AAs or CR123s, side buttons easy to access, lightweight, no mount to buy My aimpoint from 1993 still works today, my latest EOTech from 4 years ago stopped working for no reason except I shoot as much as possible. The Aimpoint PRO cost much less a few years ago. He purchased another one and it worked flawlessly for the last 5 years, but my original aimpoint is still going strong. SurvivalCache.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking reviews to Amazon. The simple Aimpoint dot reticle may be slower than an EOTech, but Comp RDS have been used for decades in competition to speed up sight acquisition, so it's something an individual needs to test. That can be a good thing but, in this case, it’s at the cost of precision. Mine is on in my trunk right now and has been on since June of last year. I've heard more experienced shooters describe them as "disposable". However, the Aimpoint is better shielded with each of its three components essentially lightly contained within is personal Faraday cage of aluminum housing. Because the Eotech uses a projection, there is no laser dot that can be seen by others. Aimpoint is all about battery life. I also take care of my equipment and I would never let the battery get so low that I was worried about it in the first place. You can fit these sights on rifles, carbines, shotguns, sub machine guns, and even handguns. The magnification helps with a multi purpose survival rifle. some weaponry is overly complicated for a long term or under constant filthy conditions they may be required to operate in for months or years on end. Each company has models which are better than others. Even after getting LASIK I found the EOtech reticle to be very distracting, the ring with the crosshairs pointing out the sides made it hard for ME to pick up the tiny dot in the middle. EOTech EXPS vs Aimpoint T-2 October 19, 2020 17:30; Updated; The problem with recommendations is that a good recommendation is based on a thorough knowledge of the situation and the individual. I wanted a 1-4 scope in the military but liked the quicker eotech or aimpoint for police work. The HHS l, for example, is priced significantly higher than the Micro T-2. Just because the manufacture says its so doesn't mean it is. Personally, I find the EOTech much faster on target when bringing up the rifle. EOTechs have to realistically be looked at as a system with a limited operating life. Eotech's have great reticle's that just grab the eye, they are super fast for CQB, and the 1 MOA dot is great for distance. The EOTech uses a laser to project a seemingly three-dimensional image on holographic film bonded to the inside of the glass window. And if you’ve ever experienced a dead electronic sight, you will certainly understand why someone would spend a small fortune on high-quality backup iron sights (even if they are made of polymer). Other than the rich and famous, most of those shots will be a max of 3-5 yds. I am just tired of hearing Aimpoint and long battery life. Aimpoint all the way. L-3 is also a leading provider of a broad range of communication and electronic systems and products used on military and commercial platforms.”, Aimpoint, on the other hand, is a Swedish company that started in 1974 with the goal to improve shooting accuracy. Other than the differences listed above, the two sights are virtually identical in almost every other way, so what follows is applicable to both the Micro T1 and T2. The ability to quickly adjust the sight to isolate the target is crucial if you want to nail it. But for actual urban combat the distances are greater. The front sight may or may not be where it appears to be through the scope. Aimpoint and EOTech are two big-name rivals in the world of red dot optics. 6 years ago. Ohhhh and hey did I mention about the Trijicon battery life??? The Aimpoint warranty is 2 years for professional or competition use, 10 years for personal use. In my opinion, a zero-magnification sight fits a Philosophy of Use (POU) wherein the gun will be mostly engaging targets 200 meters or less (which will be your predominant ranges in most situations for LEOs and Civs). So where do you stand on this issue? They could work? Dangerous to the bad guy, that is. Aimpoint vs. Eotech Review Published by Chris Sharpe on January 19, 2020 January 19, 2020 Sights are some of the best tools you can use in conjunction with your gun whether you are shooting competitively or are in law enforcement or in the military. As the owner of both an EOTech XPS and Aimpoint, I can see strengths and weaknesses with each one. For the distances he was talking either sight may actaully be a hinderence. Both have been around for a while and have managed to rack up loyal fan followings. I have slithg agstigmatism in my shooting eye ( tho still see 20/15 w/ it!) The EOTech 512.A65 requires two AA batteries and runs for 500 hours. They both seem great and it is probably just a personal choice which one is best for you. it doesn't have the need for batteries at all. However, like in most SHTF situations, it will be the things we haven't considered that will get us like the Survival Cache website being down. Use ML2 and M553 on rifles 7.62x51mm and Bushnell on M870 12 GA "Riot gun". I want to like the Aimpoint PRO, because it looks better and has the (essentially) eternal battery life but I am more confident in my shooting performance w/ the EOtech and have had plenty of time to compare both. Acog vs Aimpoint vs Eotech vs LPV Test I've been bouncing around with my optics for the last couple of months, I decided today to go out and do a little test to put them up against each other. I have had two Eotech's (512 and XPS 2.0) both have had issues. Either an Eotech EXPS2-? I sold it after I got my XPS. One sight might be quicker on target, while the other sight may be more likely to paint a target when pulled from the gun safe years later. The very simple red dot of the Aimpoint is so easy and faster for me to acquire and get rounds on target fast. I ran my EOtech at 19 F when the seals in any optic are at their smallest and it fell into the snow several times when bounding over roots and rocks and even then never got any fogging. I have a 8X magnifing mirror behind a tea light candle in a glass candle lantern it will be better than a flashlight that does not work and a scope without batteries works with a sliver of a moon. So what red dot is the best for a battle rifle, in my case a LM5? Interestingly, Aimpoint, was NOT awarded part of that contract - reinforcing my idea that while both are good, the Eotech is the "new" while Aimpoint … I just want something that works with minimal potential for error. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Neither – and I have an Aimpoint. Your email address will not be published. But I love Aimpoint PRO more than EOTech since it suits my shooting style and personal preferences. A 1×4 scope will allow accurate shooting easily out to 300-400 yds for a properly sighted weapon and requires no batteries. While L-3 might sound innocuous, it is, in their own words, “A prime contractor in aerospace systems and national security solutions. K.I.S.S. The information presented here is for general educational purposes only. I worked for a departments who's used Trijicon TA47 with an amber triangle fixed to a (removable) carry handle. All goes back to training. Eo's for me. The 512.A65 is fully waterproof and can be submerged up to 10 feet in the water. When you’re searching for a good sight for your weapon, chances are these two names will be at the top of your list. Again the AIMpoint PRO is a great product but the crtiticism to the EOTech's supposed lack of ruggedness seems misplaced. What do you think will happen with an EMP? EOTech is for people who prefer something lightweight and compact. While the Aimpoint reticle is decent, virtually no red dot sight can compare with the unique EOTech reticle. Not only is this shockproof, but it has good resistance to water too. I find the reticle to be less distracting than the Eotech reticle. The huge difference between the military and me…..supply depot. Aimpoint PROS, EOTech XPS, PA Red dots, NF Scops, ACOGs etc.. What else can I say about the fucking Trijicon red dot that never dies…….hmmmmm……hey did I mention about the Trijicon battery life? Aimpoint PRO VS EOTech 512? They all have outstanding battery life (3 years for the RCO on setting 7). The strange batteries that the CompM3 eats are found nowhere else in my tactical ecosystem, while the EOTech’s 123 batteries are also stuffed into all my Surefire flashlights and weapons lights. Both optics are hands-down winners, and each has strengths and weaknesses depending on the particular survival situation. It seems funny to me that there is such a hype over the Aimpoint's battery life. Aimpoint Pro vs. Eotech EXPS2 – How do they compare? Check out the team below and read more about us here. Every SF guy that has issues with a Eotech goes to his supply clerk and gets a new one. The Aimpoint has the advantage of (1) being absurdly reliable, (2) not having to fidget with controls to actually turn it on, and(3) having to worry about batteries all the time. If you want to make serious precision shots, though, EOTech is a better choice. That issue has not happened again. As for the reflex sights, my friend preferred the Aimpoint T1 the most, and the Eotech the least. Everything in a tactical situation revolves around training and motor reflex repetition, reacquiring the target fast and eliminating it. L3 is massive and produces a wide variety of different items for the military and for civilian use, including night vision optics and sensor systems.. EOTech produces a wide variety of red dot scopes, magnifiers, and accessories. It must be in your optic's consideration lists. I have found the best option was the EOTech. Both are great options though so I can see how different shooters can pick either one. Now the trying to do the pros and cons to each.. Both sights have positive features. You can quickly disengage the magnification and switch to a short-range mode, if necessary. An EOTECH or Aimpoint sight on your gun will increase your hit probability and speed. EOTech does not fix them, they just say buy a new one. Re: EOTech or Aimpoint? EOTech wins on reticle options. But like most massive survival situations, restarting the EOTech is probably the least of my problems. 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